Red Gate & Reflector: My Concerns...

Ok, before I start off I want to note that Red Gate is one of our "Friends of TRT," so they show up on just about every page of the site (and would appear in every RSS if I had the time to figure out how to do it). I also want to note that I know that I am breaking a rule with this post and may alienate a vendor, but this needs to be said (and sometimes I can’t resist).

I love Red Gate tools. Their commercial stuff is absolutely awesome, and I mean that. If you don’t own at least their SQL Data/Compare tools, then you should. Their software engineering is without much fault (as far as I have seen). I love how they help the community (hence they are in our "Friends" program).

I was chatting with JP (John Papa) when I caught the news in the latest bulletin from them (it might have been old), and went from casual talk about John’s skin on his blog (see here) to "Crap! Red Gate just bought Reflector..." JP doesn’t necessarily agree with me, but I wanted to at least spit out what I’m bugged by.

Red Gate also owns the PInvoke.net addin for VS2005 (and maybe it now works with VS2008). When you click on the web site to get the addin you are prompted for an email address and are informed that you will be getting ANTS Profiler 3 and Exception Hunter 1 as well... so they bundled 2 trials with a free product... products that you may already have licenses to.

Not only that but every couple days you start getting spammed by their marketing department (it’s one of those... 2 days, 5 days, 1.5 weeks, 3 weeks, and after about a month they finally leave you alone). The bigger problem is that they don’t check their DB to see if you are already a registered licensee of a product (beyond the fact that you went there for a FREE PRODUCT).

So everyone is wondering if .NET Reflector will continue to be free. I know that it will... It will just be bundled with some stuff that you may or may not want... and then you’ll be marketed to for a couple weeks after... That would be my big complaint. I hope that they choose to do otherwise (right now you can still download just .NET Reflector... but the marketing guys haven’t had time yet to figure out what they want to do... so we’ll see what happens).

BTW, I hope I’m wrong about all this ... I really do. Red Gate is a company I really do like (I just don’t always like the way they have handled "free" products in the past)... I hope they continue to have a single download to the free product.

Print | posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:22 AM

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# re: Red Gate & Reflector: My Concerns...

left by John Papa at 8/21/2008 11:26 AM Gravatar
.NET Reflector is absolutely wonderful. Red gate has done a great job in the past when they acquired products (SQL Prompt comes to mind), I hope they keep i tup with Reflector. From Lutz's blog it sounds like Red gate might have intentions of a free version and a pay version. It will be interesting to see what features they add. All conjecture of course.

As far as the emails go, I get them too. They don;t bother me ... I just delete them :)

# re: Red Gate & Reflector: My Concerns...

left by David Neal at 8/21/2008 12:24 PM Gravatar
Yeah, it's always bugged me that any time your download a trial/update from Red Gate you start getting a bunch of marketing e-mails, even if you already own the product. I've e-mailed them about it in the past, and they apologized, but apparently don't have any way to filter them at this time.

I love Red Gate's tools. Based on their track record, I'm confident they will do great things with Reflector.

# re: Red Gate & Reflector: My Concerns...

left by bob at 8/25/2008 6:31 PM Gravatar
That is why you should never give companies your real e-mail address!

# re: Red Gate & Reflector: My Concerns...

left by Eric at 2/6/2009 4:23 PM Gravatar
SQLPrompt $25
Redgate SQL Prompt $244

I'm sure they added something to it but I'm still using the $25 version in SQL 2005 and it still works great. So is the $244 version 5 times better? I used the demo and I don't think so.

Prediction?
Lutz Reflector Free
Redgate Reflector $599

I have no problem with them making money or with a product going commercial, but Red-gate prices everything for "corporate" purchases. Which tends to put them out of reach of small development companies with small budgets. And they seem to do it without adding many features.
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